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Strange Tales #107: Flamin' 'Eck 19

Strange Tales #107, page 11, panel 2 Plot: Stan Lee

Script: Larry Lieber

Art: Dick Ayers

Lettering: Art Simek

Given that there are people with serious nut allergies who have less severe reactions than Johnny does to water in later issues of Strange Tales, it does seem rather unlikely that even with his nova blast going, he would be able to dive into the sea for several minuets without his flame going out.

But that's not what today's panel is really about. It's been two issues since Dick Ayers has assumed both pencilling and inking duties for this book, and yesterday's panel and today's really highlight the differences between his art and that of Jack Kirby. The biggest criticism that can be levelled at Ayers is the lack of detail in his art. Other than in the light patterns on Namor's hair, pretty much everything in this panel is rendered with one thickness of line, a pretty heavy one. Johnny and his flame are depicted in outline only, and the previous panel only used a few sparse triangles to suggest his all-over body flame. When compared to Jack Kirby being inked by Steve Ditko in Fantastic Four  this very month, there really is no competition - Jack wins out by a country mile.

That's not to say that I don't like Dick Ayers - in the context of the Sgt Fury comic, on which he would again replace Jack Kirby, his artwork strikes a deft balances between miltaristic realism and great cartoon influences on the characters, each face saying as much about the personality of the Howlers as Stan's hilarious dialogue. However, there he was normally inked by someone else, suggesting that he had the time to put the detail into his pencils. Here, assuming double-duty, his artwork falls short of what Kirby had established for the Fantastic Four and Strange Tales.

Strange Tales #107: Nova Time 3

Strange Tales #107, page 11, panel 1 Plot: Stan Lee

Script: Larry Lieber

Art: Dick Ayers

Lettering: Art Simek

From up-and-to-the-right to down-and-to-the-left. Dick Ayers is really showing off his amazing panel compositions here...

However, this is the first time that Johnny has gone full-on nova with his powers, despite using them to blind the Miracle Man in issue #3, and threatening to go near-nova a couple of times. The idea behind this powers is that it's a super-hot, almost explosive blast of his powers, using all of his energy to great effect but leaving him spent.

I sure hope, based on the angle of his descent, that he doesn't want to go into the water...

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Strange Tales #107: Flame On 29

Strange Tales #107, page 10, panel 5 Plot: Stan Lee

Script: Larry Lieber

Art: Dick Ayers

Lettering: Art Simek

Are you starting to get deja vu with this issue? The background details may have changed slightly, but this is the fourth panel we've had featuring Johnny flying up and to the right whilst crying FLAME ON! And, at four 'Flame On's so far, this is the most populous issue to date for Johnny's catchphrase.

This time, Johnny exhibits a natural waterproofing as he manages to ignite despite being underwater.

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Strange Tales #107, page   9, panel 7

Plot: Stan Lee

Script: Larry Lieber

Art: Dick Ayers

Lettering: Art Simek

So, Namor beat Johnny up with his asbestos-clad fist. And then tied him to the back of a dolphin. And swam away.

So, Johnny decided to ignite small parts of his body, burning through the tethers without even gently heating the dolphin.

Which is how we get to this panel, where Johnny - presumably un-dampened by his proximity to the ocean, as we've seen how even the tiniest amount of dew can retard his ability to ignite - flies away from a dolphin. And, if you look closely at the artwork, you can see the dolphin's back actually on fire.

So much for taking care...

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Strange Tales #107: It's... ASBESTOS!!! 10

Strange Tales #107, page 7, panel 6 Plot: Stan Lee

Script: Larry Lieber

Art: Dick Ayers

Lettering: Art Simek

It's a shame the remit of this blog doesn't allow me to cover the brief trend for giving Namor ridiculous powers that started with this issue. Just prior to today's panel, Namor was seen hurtling unstoppably towards an iceberg. To survive, he employed the powers of a puffer fish and inflated his body to three times its original size, embedding himself in the ice. He then shrank down to his normal size and easily escaped. Yes, he was pretty much Aquaman crossed with Animal Man.

Namor is scavenging around for things to use in his battle with the Torch. He grabs a statue from an ancient Atlantean ruin, and a torn bit of asbestos, presumably from an ancient Atlantean insulated wall. The statue is to mesmerise the Torch, the asbestos to wrap around his fist so that he might wail on the teenager without burning his knuckles.

Its origins aside, this is probably one of the most sensible uses of asbestos seen so far.

And as an aside, I really like Dick Ayers' depiction of Namor in this panel. It's very recognisably Namor without being a carbon-copy of Jack Kirby's rendition.

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Strange Tales #107: Flame On 27

Strange Tales #107, page 5, panel 2 Plot: Stan Lee

Script: Larry Lieber

Art: Dick Ayers

Lettering: Art Simek

After a few well-earned days off, I find myself hankerin' for a picture of a teenage boy self-immolating whilst flying, with no harmful effects. And, surprisingly enough, that's exactly what I get.

The ridiculous conceit that Johnny's flame would randomly run out without warning came into play once again this issue. Out for a flaming joyride, Johnny finds himself out over the sea, flameless. Landing on a handy ship, he is put to work by the sceptical sailors until the mists creep in, forcing Johnny to re-flame and help them out.

I love the sailor's surprised reaction to the fact that they had the Human Torch aboard all this time - "Well, I'll be! And we had 'im manicurin' the deck!". Larry Lieber's wonderful wordplay creating a great piece of speech.

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Strange Tales #107: Flame On 26

Strange Tales #107, page 2, panel 6 Plot: Stan Lee

Script: Larry Lieber

Art: Dick Ayers

Lettering: Art Simek

Well, we didn't stick around long with Fantastic Four #13... So, back to Strange Tales then!

Today's 'Flame On' comes after Johnny, left at home instead of joining the team thanks to his shenanigans the previous issue, starts snooping through Sue's belongings. He soon comes across a framed photograph of Namor, the Sub-Mariner, proof that Sue still has feelings for him.

Ignoring the question of when exactly the picture was taken (maybe during his tenure as boss of SM Studios), he decides to head off and beat up Namor and prove himself worthy of inclusion in the rest of the team's activities.

There's not that much to say about this panel, save to note that the room must be pretty big for Johnny to be able to fly in an arc like he does.

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Strange Tales #106: It's... ASBESTOS!!! 7

Strange Tales #106, page 8, panel 5 Plot: Stan Lee

Script: Larry Lieber

Art: Dick Ayers

Lettering: John Duffy

Between the break in posting and the huge amount of content from Fantastic Four #12, it's been quite a while since we saw an appearance from my favourite trope: Inexplicable usage of asbestos. Thankfully, today's panel is an absolute classic.

Taking a leaf (and a visual) from Paste Pot Pete's book, ZANTE extinguishes Johnny's flame with a jet of liquid asbestos. Ignoring the fact that asbestos is a fibrous substance and liquidising it would be exceedingly difficult, if not impossible.

Ah, my favourite villain and my favourite trope. Life is good!

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Strange Tales #106, page  5, panel 7 Plot: Stan Lee

Script: Larry Lieber

Art: Dick Ayers

Lettering: John Duffy

Take a look at the page and panel reference for today's image. Now go and see yesterday's. Now back to today's again. That's right, your eyes aren't deceiving you, and I've not made a mistake. Two FLAME ONs in three panels. Johnny sure has an ignition problem, and I'm sure it's nothing to do with Stan having to cover artistic inconsistencies that saw Johnny alternate between fiery and flame-free form from panel-to-panel.

Other details to notice include Reed's rarely-seen pipe, which would occasionally pop up in the early 1960s and in stories set during the early days of the Fantastic Four. Also take a look at Ben - his form has rarely been more 'lumpy-oatmeal'. As Kirby's main inker in the first couple of years on the book, Ayers played a large role in shaping the look of the Fantastic Four. It wasn't really until after he had moved on that the Thing's hide would move away from the organic, hide-like look to the more traditional 'rocky-platelets' look.

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Strange Tales #106: Flame On 24

Strange Tales #106, page 5, panel 5 Plot: Stan Lee

Script: Larry Lieber

Art: Dick Ayers

Lettering: John Duffy

It's back to Strange Tales, and a particular favourite of ours. Not only is issue #106 the episode where Johnny's pretence at having a secret identity completely falls down, but it also introduces my favourite villain of the entire run - The Acrobat, aka... ZANTE!

ZANTE makes his way into the book by convincing Johnny that he would be better off in a team with him, rather than with his family. Johnny pop round to tell Reed and Ben the news, and predictably, gets into some sort of fight. Still, it makes for a nice ignition panel from Dick Ayers - his first of many.

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Strange Tales #105: Flamin' 'Eck 16

Strange Tales #105, page 12, panels 3-4 Plot: Stan Lee

Script: Larry Lieber

Art: Jack Kirby

Inking: Dick Ayers

Lettering: Art Simek

There comes a point when you look at panel after panel of inconsistent, scientifically implausible and, occasionally, downright lazy uses of Johnny's powers when you really struggle to come up with new and interesting ways to look at them. I could point out how ridiculous it is that Johnny can create a flaming saw that cuts - not burns - through the ceiling, causing the plaster to fall onto The Wizard's head. But you're not an unintelligent reader, far from it. Why point out the obvious?

I could talk about the overly slapstick nature of the action here, Stan and/or Jack had watched one too many Roadrunner/Wile E. Coyote cartoons. I could talk about it being a weak and unsatisfactory conclusion to a story which did not do a good job of persuading the reader that The Wizard makes for a strong recurring villain. But I think I'll just point out that it's a bit crap, and move on to the next issue tomorrow.

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Strange Tales #105: Flamin' 'Eck 15

Plot: Stan Lee

Script: Larry Lieber

Art: Jack Kirby

Inking: Dick Ayers

Lettering: Art Simek

Today's madness comes courtesy of Moffatt's Own-Brand Patented Wibbly-Wobbly Timey-Wimey.

Two panels previously, The Wizard announced that Sue and Johnny had 10 seconds before the bomb went off. One panel previously, Sue noted that there were only 7 seconds to go. That means that in under 7 seconds, Johnny has come up with the idea of the flame catapult, put the bomb into it, and shot it up into the sky, all the while rushing through  about 9 seconds worth of dialogue in the four seconds allotted to the first panel shown.

And let's be clear: That's not a catapult that Johnny uses. It's a vertical cannon. With its own little flame supports to stop it from falling over. That are made from solid flame...

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Strange Tales #105: Flamin' 'Eck 14

Strange Tales #105, page 7, panel 5 Plot: Stan Lee

Script: Larry Lieber

Art: Jack Kirby

Inking: Dick Ayers

Lettering: Art Simek

Goodness gracious, great ball of fire!

Yeah, I fell about as good about making that joke as you do about reading it...

So, in The Wizard's asbestos-lined dungeon cell, there are multiple nozzles releasing nerve gas. Because having  a teenager hack up his own lungs in incredible, searing pain whilst dying in front of a pube-chinned genius psychopath would possibly contravene the Comics Code Authority, Stan and/or Jack as to come up with a way to allow Johnny to survive.

So, what he does is create an impenetrable dome of fire to prevent the gas from reaching him. What I'm challenging here is not the implausibility of the flame defeating the gas - it's very conceivable that intense heat would do something to the gas to negate its lethal qualities - but that Johnny have the intelligence to be able to make such a move in stressful conditions. As Andy has pointed out on numerous occasions, Johnny is a couple of brain cells short of an intelligence...

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Strange Tales #105: It's... ASBESTOS!!! 6

Strange Tales #105, page 7, panel 2 Plot: Stan Lee

Script: Larry Lieber

Art: Jack Kirby

Inking: Dick Ayers

Lettering: Art Simek

Yay, more asbestos!

As before, The Wizard's house is full of traps designed to catch out an unwary fiery teenager. Top of the list is the trapdoor that drops down to an asbestos-lined dungeon. One hopes that The Wizard has learned from the US Army, who spectacularly failed to make an asbestos-lined cell fireproof way back in Fantastic Four #2.

Not that we get the opportunity to find out, as The Wizard has forgotten one key element of Johnny's powers: that he can fly. I really do hope that as The Wizard graduates to the Fantastic Four and forms the Frightful Four, we discover exactly how his intelligence upgraded itself.

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Strange Tales #105: Flamin' 'Eck 13

Strange Tales #105, page 5, panel 2 Plot: Stan Lee

Script: Larry Lieber

Art: Jack Kirby

Inking: Dick Ayers

Lettering: Art Simek

Ah, it's another flame duplicate. My favourite power usage.

Actually, this one's not too bad. Unlike previous uses, which have seen near-sentient duplicates battle villains, or follow them wherever they go, this one is designed to be a brief distraction and does nothing other than stand around. Of course, there's the matter of what fuel is being used to keep the fire burning, but answers to such questions are in very short supply.

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Strange Tales #105: Flame On 21

Strange Tales #105, page 4, panel 6 Plot: Stan Lee

Script: Larry Lieber

Art: Jack Kirby

Inking: Dick Ayers

Lettering: Art Simek

If you've been reading Fantastic Four and FF over the past few years, you'll know that Jonathan Hickman has done a great job positioning The Wizard as a highly-dangerous sociopathic anti-Reed Richards. So much so that Reed adopted a young clone of the Wizard just to ensure that another version of him wouldn't come into the world, that some positive nurture would affect him and make him less of a risk to society.

Which is why it's so hilarious to return to these early stories where the entire scope of the Wizard was to humiliate a 16 year old boy, all whilst sporting some of the worst facial hair ever seen in comics.

In this story, the Wizard escapes from jail and returns to his house, which he is able to shield from the police. He then broadcasts to the entirety of Glenville/dale (I forget which one it is) that he will battle the Torch to prove who is the better man. And, being a 16 year old boy, Johnny doesn't see anything wrong with rushing head-first into battle.

Idiot.

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Strange Tales #104: Flame On 18

Strange Tales #104, page 10, panel 5 Plot: Stan Lee

Script: Larry Lieber

Art: Jack Kirby

Inking: Dick Ayers

Lettering: Art Simek

It's a good old fashioned battle cry today!

Thanks to the unfortunate timing of his flame running out and some nifty paste - the supreme weapon - skills from Paste Pot Pete, Johnny has found himself bound to a missile, unable to use his flaming powers to escape for fear that he would detonate the warhead. It's an effective - albeit slightly goofy - piece of peril for him to be caught in.

After directing a minute fireball to delicately burn away the paste, Johnny here cries out as he ignites, flying away from the missile, and just avoiding being caught in the ensuing explosion in the next panel.

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Strange Tales #104: Flamin' 'Eck 12

Strange Tales #104, page 7, panel 2 Plot: Stan Lee

Script: Larry Lieber

Art: Jack Kirby

Inking: Dick Ayers

Lettering: Art Simek

More craziness with ire today as we bid farewell to the flame duplicate and reveal Paste Pot Pete's true skill.

Johnny's caught up with Paste Pot Pete's truck after he's arrived at an army base and used paste - the supreme weapon - to hijack a missile. Once it's been launched. As the panel show, Johnny dissolves his duplicate, turning it into flaming spears that he hurls at Pete's truck's wheels.

A complete waste of time, frankly, as Paste Pot Pete's driving skills with a laden, top-heavy truck would put the Stig to shame, He effortlessly turns on a sixpence (dime for you lovely Americans) and avoids every single spear. With skills like that, surely he could have made a decent living as a stunt driver rather than devoting his life to trying to convince the world that paste is the supreme weapon.

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Strange Tales #104: Flamin' 'Eck 11

Strange Tales #104, page 4, panel 6 Plot: Stan Lee

Script: Larry Lieber

Art: Jack Kirby

Inking: Dick Ayers

Lettering: Art Simek

Today, we prove that Stan and Jack are better than Montgomery Scott as the laws o' physics are changed before your very eyes!

Remember yesterday how I said that Johnny's flame duplicate was more than a mere distraction? Today we find out how.

Compelled by some unknown force, the duplicate gives chase to Paste-Pot Pete, following him wherever he goes. Burning without fuel, tracking without any form of sentience to guide him, this duplicate really can do it all. Oh, and he also leaves a heat trail behind him that Johnny is able to follow.

I guess it's lucky that it wasn't very windy that day, allowing the heated air molecules to hang more or less in the space they occupied as the flame duplicate passed them, allowing for Johnny's leisurely pursuit of his double. Because, as we all know from watching cop shows on TV where they use infra red cameras to track heat signatures, everything that generates heat leaves large heat trails behind them as they move.

On the podcast, we're over twenty issues ahead of the blog, and I am so very glad to say that this category, Flamin' 'Eck gets rarer and rarer as the books progress into the mid-1960s.

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Strange Tales #104: Flame On 17

Strange Tales #104, page 4, panel 5 Plot: Stan Lee

Script: Larry Lieber

Art: Jack Kirby

Inking: Dick Ayers

Lettering: Art Simek

Yes, it's been a little while. My attempts at keeping this daily are as fruitful as my attempts to keep the 20 Minute Longbox as a regular podcast...

It's back to the bread-and-butter of the blog today. After distracting the unsuspecting public Glendale with a highly-suspect flame duplicate, Johnny is finally free to cry FLAME ON and self-ignite. Why he couldn't just run around the corner whilst everyone was gawping at Paste-Pot Pete isn't really made clear, but as we'll see over the next couple of pages, the flame duplicate isn't just a distraction.

But that's for tomorrow.

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